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Temples never renovated in Kyoto? 2014/7/7 06:32
Are there temples in Kyoto that have never been deeply renovated since their construction?

I mean, temples like Byodo-In are original temples and not replicas, but they were deeply transformed by big-size renovations. As a result it is gorgeous to see but we keep being frustrated that we can't see the temple in its original appearence. And there is no special emotion.

I have read that the "To-ji" pagoda has not had renovation so it may have now its original appearence, but... am I right?

I think that it is something very important, when visiting a historical place, to see historical monuments and admire how architecture was made long before.
by izquierda (guest)  

Re: Temples never renovated in Kyoto? 2014/7/7 14:42
Japan is like Europe, including France, that you should know well.

There are many Medieval chateaux in France that have never been touched, I played in several myself in my teens years. However they were mostly in ruins, no roofs, whole wings missing, staircases missing steps etc. so it was/is very difficult to visualize as they once looked like.
Chateau de Durfort as it is after centuries of neglect:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chateau_de_Durfort#mediaviewer/Fichier:Ch...
Chateau de Ventadour in ruins
http://www.tourisme-limousin.net/photos/155/CHATEAU_DE_VENTADOUR_1.jpg
Chateau du Val..restored
http://www.willgoto.com/images/Size3/FR_Auvergne_Chateau_de_Val_6c08f1...

Then there are all the chateaux---and also churches and private houses of various ages that have been restored, often several times.

In the 19th century the famous architect Violet-le-Duc restored many famous monument in France not as they were originally but as he thought they should be...
Notre-Dame church in Paris, the Pierrefonds castle and the Cite de Carcassonne being example of his work.

From the 1960s on restoration has been done much more carefully, by trying to restore something as it really was. But then it is not always possible nor desirable.

Many castles were inhabited continuously for centuries, in some case nearly a 1000 years. and were "modernized" by successive owners, so it wouldn't make sense to try to go back to the original building.

In famous historical castles like Versailles and Fontainebleau it has been decided that some rooms would look as when this king used them, others as that king lived
there, others as this emperor used them etc.

Even churches saw many changes and not one historical period is more important that another..

Same thing with Japanese temple..IF stonework doesn't last forever, then neither does wood...There are also all the buildings in Japan and in Europe that were badly damaged during wartime (not just WWII).

Izquierda, you seem to be a very naive person...
by Red frog (guest) rate this post as useful

Re: Temples never renovated in Kyoto? 2014/7/7 19:48
I'm afraid to say Japanese wooden architectures are designed to renovate from the beginning.
You know, Ise-shrine is rebuilding every 20 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ise_Shrine
And I head heard that UNESCO showed disapproval at first to register Houryu-ji temple in Nara (that is the oldest wooden architecture) as a World Heritage Site because of renovation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C5%8Dry%C5%AB-ji

Commonly historical buildings are renovated by traditional techniques and materials.
Kongo-gumi (that was the oldest company) is the one of the renovation companies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kong%C5%8D_Gumi
by ajapaneseboy rate this post as useful

Re: Temples never renovated in Kyoto? 2014/7/8 13:57
I understand the desire to see authentic, historic structures rather than modern reconstructions however, rennovations are done to PRESERVE the historic structures. Rennovation is different from rebuilding.

Without rennovation and similar upkeep, the buildings will not last. Generally speaking, during rennovation processes, they try to place as many of the original parts back in their place as possible, but parts that are rotten, unstable, falling apart, or otherwise unusable must be replaced. There is nothing uniquely Japanese about that...

I never understood why people think nothing of rennovations on European buildings but are SO critical of Japanese ones.

Toji Temple is very impressive. The structures are historic as well as the statues inside.

Look up the 12 original castles and see if there are any that you deem to be 'authentic' enough.
by Rabbityama (guest) rate this post as useful

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