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Suica worth it? & some practical questions 2014/9/22 10:03
We're travelling to Japan in January for 11 days. Planned itinerary is
Day 1 - late arrival Narita, stay hotel there
Day 2 - NEX & Shinkansen to Kyoto (get 7 day JR pass at airport)
Day 2 - 5: Kyoto
Day 6: Kyoto to Hiroshima
Day 7: Hiroshima/Miyajima
Day 8: Hiroshima - Tokyo
Day 8 - 11: Tokyo.
Day 11: late departure from Narita.

We'll be travelling with 2 children, and think that buying a JR pass for the youngest (who will be 3) is worth it from the practicality point of view - having a seat for the long shinkansen journeys. Would that be right?

Also, is it worth picking up a Suica card when we are getting our JR passes (for Kyoto subway and then when we are in Tokyo?)

Finally, a practical question - from what I can tell the youngest child travels free on all(?) transport. If we use a Suica card, do we just carry her through the automatic gates? Just trying to visualize how it will all work.

Thanks!
by vvviola (guest)  

Re: Suica worth it? & some practical questions 2014/9/22 11:56
Up to two little kids (roughly under 6) accompanied by one adult, when he/she/they do(es) not use a space which requires reservation, can travel by JR lines free of railroad fees.

When in January 2015 will you travel? Except on New Year days, I guess you can find rather easily non-Reserved seats on Shinkansen "Hikari" or "Sakura" trains unless you stick to a specific short slot of time.
by omotenashi rate this post as useful

Re: Suica worth it? & some practical questions 2014/9/22 14:41
e.g.
Parent A + Parent B + Kid C (10 years old) + Kid D (5 years old)
: If the four passengers have a ride together in an Ordinary-Class non-Reserved car of a JR train, child-rate JR fees apply to C while D can travel free of JR fees.
: If A, B and C use Ordinary-Class reserved seats of a JR train and D is on knees of B, child-rate JR fees apply to C while D can travel free of JR fees.
: If D solely uses an Ordinary-Class reserved seat of a JR train, child-rate JR fees apply also to D.

Major non-JR railroad operators (including Keisei, which offers NRT accesses) have similar rules regarding kids and fees.

"Narita Express" trains, which are offered by JR-East, do not have non-Reserved seats; all the seats require reservation.
The 3-year old kid can travel on a "Narita Express" train from the station in NRT to Shinagawa Station at 750 yen if she uses a child-rate N'EX Tokyo Direct Ticket.
http://www.jreast.co.jp/e/pass/nex_oneway.html

Unfortunately there is no such discount ticket concerning an NRT-bound "Narita Express" ride. If you take a non-express JR train together (outside Green Cars), she can travel free of JR fees.
Depending on the location of your Tokyo hotel, Keisei lines may be better for you to travel back to NRT.

If we use a Suica card, do we just carry her through the automatic gates?

If her parent is accepted by touching a Suica Card, the 3-year old kid and the parent can walk together through the automatic gate while the doors are open (unless the gate is too narrow).

When she uses a N'EX Tokyo Direct Ticket, she can put the ticket into a gate machine and solely pass through the gate. (If the ticket slit is too high for her, someone needs to set the ticket from behind.)

By the way, how old will the other kid be?
A Child Suica Card can be issued for a kid of an elementary school age (roughly 6 to 11); his/her personal data (such as the name and the date of birth) need to be registered.

Day 1 - late arrival Narita, stay hotel there

Where in Narita City will you stay?

Your station in NRT is either Narita Airport Station (in Terminal 1) or Airport Terminal 2 Station.
Please note that Narita Station (of JR) and Keisei Narita Station are located outside the airport.

(get 7 day JR pass at airport)

In order to get a Japan Rail Pass, a passenger should purchase an Exchange Order in advance before coming to Japan.
- Japan Rail Pass: Who is eligible for a JAPAN RAIL PASS?
http://www.japanrailpass.net/eng/en002.html
- Japan Rail Pass: Where exchange orders are sold
http://www.japanrailpass.net/eng/en005.html
- JR-East: JR East Travel Service Centers (in the two NRT terminals)
http://www.jreast.co.jp/e/customer_support/service_center.html
: When Travel Service Center is still closed in the morning, you can visit JR Ticket Office (open from 6:30, located beside the JR gate) to turn in Exchange Orders for Japan Rail Passes and try reserving seats of "Narita Express" and Shinkansen trains.

N'EX & Shinkansen to Kyoto

Your transfer in Shinagawa Station to Tokaido Shinkansen, which is operated by JR-Central, is much shorter and simpler than that in Tokyo Station.
- JR-Central: Map of Shinagawa Station (of JR-East and JR-Central)
http://english.jr-central.co.jp/info/station/_img/shinagawa_L.jpg
"Narita Express" trains from NRT arrive at Track 14 in Shinagawa Station; you can just follow signs for Shinkansen. The south transfer route (via Shinkansen South Transfer Gate) is equipped with elevators.
Cf. In Tokyo Station, "Narita Express" trains use Sobu Underground tracks on the 5th basement while Shinkansen tracks are above the ground. And you need to choose a correct Shinkansen gate because there JR-East and JR-Central have Shinkansen zones independently.

Kyoto to Hiroshima

Three regular Shinkansen "Hikari" trains are scheduled to depart from Kyoto at 7:20, at 8:02 and at 8:23 and run to Hiroshima.
If you leave Kyoto Station later, you are likely to need to take two Shinkansen trains. (Most of the direct Shinkansen trains for Hiroshima are "Nozomi" trains, which cannot be taken with a Japan Rail Pass.)

Westbound Shinkansen "Sakura" trains start from Shin-Osaka Station, so you can get on a "Sakura" train there some minutes before the departure. (Also some westbound "Hikari" trains start from Shin-Osaka Station.)

Shinkansen trains make indeed a "brief stop" at Kyoto Station.
When you take a Shinkansen train from Kyoto Station, you are expected to get on the train quickly (after certain passengers get off). To get off a Shinkansen train at Kyoto Station, please get ready early.
The same applies to Hiroshima Station except for Shinkansen trains starting from or destined to the station.
by omotenashi rate this post as useful

Re: Suica worth it? & some practical questions 2014/9/22 14:44
Finally, a practical question - from what I can tell the youngest child travels free on all(?) transport. If we use a Suica card, do we just carry her through the automatic gates?

Yes, you just carry or walk her through.
by yllwsmrf rate this post as useful

Re: Suica worth it? & some practical questions 2014/9/23 07:26
Wow, thanks for the great answers.

By the way, how old will the other kid be?
She will be 7 - so we'll get her a child suica pass if we decide to get them

Where in Narita City will you stay?
We'll stay at one of the airport hotels. Our flight arrives late, and with two small children, trying to get into Tokyo on further after a long flight would be a bad idea!

Your transfer in Shinagawa Station to Tokaido Shinkansen, which is operated by JR-Central, is much shorter and simpler than that in Tokyo Station
That's really useful information - thanks. I'm hoping we will have sent luggage on to Kyoto from our hotel, so it should make the process easier too.

Three regular Shinkansen "Hikari" trains are scheduled to depart from Kyoto at 7:20, at 8:02 and at 8:23 and run to Hiroshima
Thanks! We're early risers, so that will probably be possible and gives us more time in Hiroshima too.

When in January 2015 will you travel?
We're travelling between the 11th and 21st January. I think the first weekend includes a public holiday?

We'd probably prefer to get reserved seats for the longer journeys though, so that we can all sit together. And a 3.5 year old doesn't like to sit for a long time on someone's knee (and they are heavy!!). Would it be very difficult to get her own JR pass?



Thanks again!
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