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with online degree visa possible? 2008/1/14 08:12
is it possible to get a working visa for teaching english if you are a native speaker of an english country + have an online bought university/college degree (http://www.affordabledegrees.com/ADA/why_uni.asp ( like from a site like this)) because I've read a bunch of instances where they say its possible...but I'm not sure, if anyone here has done it or knows about it please let me know so I dont start putting money into a lost cause (and if this comes up twice...well thats cause something glitched in the forum...cause i placed it and it didnt work)
by Jakewulf  

. 2008/1/14 11:39
No if you buy yourself a diplima it is known as a diploma mill, and getting a visa with one is kind of illegal and cost you any chances of applying for a visa in the future.

Rochville University despite what is said on their site is an unaccredited university.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochville_University
by John rate this post as useful

.. 2008/1/14 13:51
If you are not studying for exams, handing in assignments/essays/projects, taking notes or at the very least cracking open a textbook you are not getting a degree from an accredited university or college no matter what they may say. No studying equals no (valid) degree.
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. 2008/1/14 19:23
well there are many of these universities that do not disclose which one you are getting a degree from, so therefore telling the diference between the two would be impossible...my goal is to actualy get my college degree and do it the "right" way, just wondering if this was a possibility
by Jakewulf rate this post as useful

. 2008/1/15 08:43
well there are many of these universities that do not disclose which one you are getting a degree from, so therefore telling the diference between the two would be impossible..

If you can't find much information or they do not disclose something, then that is a sign that its not so legit. These are diploma mills that sell off diplomas and are not accredited. Many of these "fake" universities, have names that sound similar to real universities so sometimes it can trick people.

What I would do is look at real brick and mortar universities and not "online degrees". Many real brick and mortar universities have "distance learning" classes that allow one to work from home etc, but test taking is done on campus or proctored by an authorized representative, so one still has to do work etc.
by John rate this post as useful

. 2008/1/15 17:30
If you're looking for a US college, then the US Department of Education has a database which contains all the accredited colleges. Just because a college is accredited doesn't mean it's a good school but it's a good way to eliminate any suspicious "schools."

http://www.ope.ed.gov/accreditation/

You should be suspicious of any colleges that tries to "sell" you a degree or if their website doesn't end in .edu.
by Jon rate this post as useful

.. 2008/1/15 18:11
thanks, I know something was up with places like this just didnt have enough info on them yet...hence why I asked, thanks for the replies...I'll find another way (since it doesnt look like im finishing college this year) and otherwise just go there for a long holiday
by Jakewulf rate this post as useful

. 2008/1/22 16:44
really any native english speaking person with a degree or not can teach english

I wouldn't say so. People could have a degree in I-don't-know-what and still fail miserably at teaching other people. Of course, some people without a degree may be excellent teachers and some people with a degree might be really bad, but in the end it often boils down to the fact, that someone with a degree has probably a certain level of knowledge and skills.

Unless of course you buy your degree. I think this is a really bad thing to do. In Germany (and probably also many other countries) you acn also pay people to write a diploma/master thesis for you in certain majors. In my opinion it's a terrible thing that ridicules the whole system.
by Haf rate this post as useful

. 2008/1/22 18:41
so it's got a chance to work but probably not. well I've been teaching english to people since I'm 15 years old...and I'm realy good at it. I taught my girlfriend back then enough that she turned her 2,4 grade to a 8,7. It's just this damn schooling system in holland that blows. I might give it a try, and if it doesnt work it doesnt work...not the end of the world...just the end of an oppertunity
by Jakewulf rate this post as useful

Teaching in Japan 2008/1/22 20:42
You are Dutch then? I am afraid that will count against you as one of the requirements for getting a visa to teach Ebglish is that you have 12 years of schooling in English. If you can convince Immigration that you fulfill that requirement then many schools only accept teachers who were born/ grew up in the main English-speaking countries- many won't consider non-native speakers no matter how fluent.

So you have quite a few obstacles to overcome- you should also be aware that there has been a crackdown on fake degree holders in universities here lately and this may spread to conversation schools as well. I wish you luck.
by Sira rate this post as useful

. 2008/1/23 03:08
M i thought you would know that even if they don't catch you know, it will eventually happen, especially if you need to change careers, or do a future visa change.

Recent News from December:
48 academics found to have fake diplomas The Yomiuri Shimbun

Forty-eight academics at 43 universities possess bogus diplomas they were awarded by overseas organizations claiming to be universities, an Education, Science and Technology Ministry investigation has revealed.

The ministry has asked the universities to take a consistently firm line on the fraudulent qualifications, saying it is detracting from the status of universities.

The investigation carried out from July to September covered all of the nation's public and private universities.

According to the ministry, the organizations, known as "degree mills," have not conducted any educational activities yet have sold fake diplomas for hundreds of thousands of yen. The organizations were found in Australia, Britain, China and the United States, though the governments in each countries have not recognized them as universities.


Immigration authorities, especially these days continuously review documents to verify them, so if you aren't caught now, it will catch up.

You miss the point M,
1. yes you can teach english without having a degree as long as your a native speaker, there are many people who do this, however they are in Japan in some sort of OTHER visa status other then work visa, or they have had relative experience to bypass the requirement for a degree.

2. Otherwise, if they don't have another visa status or meet the qualifications they need a degree.
by John rate this post as useful

. 2008/1/23 06:17
I'm pretty sure i'm not going to do this degree buying thing...so what would another way be to get a job teaching english in Japan? I've been privately tutoring people for years and I've been getting great results...I know I can do the job, the college is the hard part, and i dont want to break any laws...any sugestions?
by Jakewulf rate this post as useful

. 2008/1/23 06:34
I'm pretty sure i'm not going to do this degree buying thing...so what would another way be to get a job teaching english in Japan?

1. Get a real degree.

Also mentioned because you are from a Dutch speaking country, you need to prove proficiency in the English language. "Private tutor" is not enough. You need to prove and document you have English speaking ability on the fluency level. This means certifications, schools, TOEFL (Test of English as a Foreign Language) certification etc.
by John rate this post as useful

, 2008/1/23 07:05
I am living in Holland but am a native english speaker..I was born and raised in an english speaking country and still have that nationality as well...just happen to live in holland

what I was talking about was the other visas whilst being in Japan that you were talking about...what do you mean by that?
by Jakewulf rate this post as useful

. 2008/1/23 07:27
Spouse Visa - being married to someone who is Japanese.

Dependent Visa - Being married to someone who isn't japanese but who lives or works in Japan. Only Part Time work allowed, permission is needed from Immigration authorities.
Or being a unmarried minor child of someone who is living or working in Japan.

Student Visa - 2 Categories, you have to be a full time student in Japan (costs a lot of money) and you can only work part, permission is needed from Immigration authorities, along with the school, with good attendance and grades.

Working Holiday Visa-
Ok if you could just mention what your nationality is, you might be able to get a Working Holiday Visa for 1 year. Depending on what your nationality is.
by John rate this post as useful

. 2008/1/23 07:43
I'm a canadian
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.. 2008/1/23 07:47
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. 2008/1/23 20:17
I think I'll try out for that holiday visa in a while...like I said i realy have no inclination to break any law and therefore won't try this diploma mill thing...thats why I asked about it on this forum since there realy is almsot no information about it anywhere...what could actualy happen if they found out? would you just get kicked out of the country?
by Jakewulf rate this post as useful

WHV 2008/1/23 22:10
Possibly deportation and banning for 5 years or more.

Go for the working holiday visa- I originally came over on one. I worked on a ski resort the first 3 months and then did various English teaching jobs for the rest of the time and really enjoyed it.
by Sira rate this post as useful

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