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JR Pass 14 days or 21 days 2016/12/18 17:54
This April (5-27), my cousin and I will be heading off to Japan, our first visit to the country.

We will be flying in and out of Tokyo Haneda. We have a rough itinerary and would like to know based on our itinerary if you think a 14 JR Pass will suffice or better to just get the 21 Day.

D0: Arrive in Tokyo (9:30PM)
D1: Tokyo
D2: Tokyo - Day Trip to Nikko
D3: Tokyo - Day Trip to Kamakura
D4: Tokyo - Day Trip to Mount Fuji
D5: Tokyo
D6: Tokyo to Takayama
D7: Takayama
D8: Takayama to Kanazawa via Shirakawago
D9: Kanazawa
D10: Kanazawa to Hiroshima
D11: Hiroshima/Miyajima
D12: Hiroshima to Osaka via Hemeji
D13: Osaka
D14: Osaka to Mt Koya
D15: Mt Koya to Kyoto
D16: Kyoto
D17: Kyoto: Day trip to Nara
D18: Kyoto
D19: Kyoto
D20: Kyoto to Tokyo
D21: Tokyo
D22: Homeward bound

Any help and insight you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks
by Maggie (guest)  

Re: JR Pass 14 days or 21 days 2016/12/18 20:24
I would get the 21 days pass, especially if you plan to take the Shinkansen between locations. It can get quite expensive. The first time I took the Shinkansen (Tokyo to Osaka), I didn't notice the train that arrived was the one that I was supposed to get on, luckily the tickets were covered by the JR Pass and I didn't waste a 150$ ticket.

The JR Pass won't help you much in Kyoto/Nara, you'll have to pay 2$ for buss ride there.

Check some trips on Google Maps and hyperdia.com, they will give a rough estimate on the price.
by wststreet rate this post as useful

Re: JR Pass 14 days or 21 days 2016/12/18 20:38
My first impression is a 7 day pass from day 6 to day 12, and a discount ticket from Kyoto to Tokyo will do.

Are you willing to take a bus from Tokyo(Shinjuku) to Takayama, instead of a train?
by ebaychucky311 rate this post as useful

Re: JR Pass 14 days or 21 days 2016/12/18 22:23
I have some timing questions for you:

I am a little confused about when you plan to go to Takayama. I have you arriving on April 11th, and departing on April 13th. Is this correct? I am asking because the spring Takayama Festival is April 14th and 15th. Are you wanting to go to the Takayama Festival?

I also believe that, because of the tides, it is best to see Miyajima Island when it is close to either a full or new moon. The "floating" and "beached" viewing of the shrine and Tori gates are best at these times. Are you willing to move your visit to Hiroshima and Miyajima around for this?

Are you interested in Cherry blossoms? On of the best places in Japan is Yoshino:
http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e4150.html
Do you want to include this in your trip?

Have you any interest in flowers, and not just the Cherry blossoms? There are two flower events that follow the cherry blossoms, Fuji (wisteria) and Shibazakura (phlox moss). Here are some links:

http://www.tourismontheedge.com/hidden-places/asia/wisteria-tunnel-kaw...
http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e6919.html

The Wisteria tunnel at Kawachi Fuji Gardens would be best viewed at the end of your trip, as well at the Phlox Moss fields. You are planning to go to the Fuji Five Lakes area. Are you interested in moving this around so that you can go to this festival? The Kawachi Fuji Gardens are very close to Hiroshima, and it is possible, that if you move Hiroshima to the end of your trip, when there is a new moon, that you could also go here.

Since you have included Miyajima Island, which is one of the three scenic places in Japan, are you interested in the other two? One is near Kyoto, and the other near Tokyo.

I am not sure how much of your trip is fixed, and how much is open to movement. Are you interested in any of these events?
by ebaychucky311 rate this post as useful

Re: JR Pass 14 days or 21 days 2016/12/18 23:00
Hi ebaychucky311

Thank you so much for your help with my query and all your suggestions

With regards to your question around whether my itinerary was fixed or not - i can advise that this is only a rough itinerary and I was hoping to have things finalised no later than 1st week of Jan.

I did not know that there was a festival in Takayama on that falls on the 14th and 15th April, have you been before? Is it worth going?

One of the main reason we have chosen to go in April was so we can see the Cherry blossoms, I've heard many great things about it. Your suggestion to visit Yoshino looks great. Am I able to ask seek your help as to how can get there? Do you think the blossoms will still be in bloom by mid April?

With Miyajima, I've just done a check and full moon is due to fall on April 11, so you recommend that this will be the best time to visit then? Also you have advised there are 2 other scenic places besides Miyajima, are you able to kindly advise me what the names of them are as I would love to visit them.

For my visit to Mt Fuji, I was intending on visiting the Five Fuji Lakes area, and with your suggestion of the shibazakura, I should be able to view it there

You've given me plenty of ideas, now I just have to try and re-arrange my itinerary to try and fit them in some how.

Thank you ever so much for your help, I'm very grateful.
by Maggie (guest) rate this post as useful

Re: JR Pass 14 days or 21 days 2016/12/19 02:12
First off.... YES... Include the Takayama Festival, and no, I have not been to it...yet.

http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e5909.html

This will be the hardest thing to book, and I would suggest that you start trying to book your hotel NOW! And don't give up, there will be cancellations from time to time, and you can grab one of these, if you are persistent.

You have the ability to move things around in your schedule a lot. For instance, you start and end in Tokyo. You can do some things at the beginning, and some things at the end of your trip. This gives you some flexibility as to when you are at different places in Japan. I would do a few things in Tokyo at the beginning, say Nikko, and then jump to Kyoto to begin with.

Since you want to see cherry blossoms, and the cherry blossom season will be at the beginning of your trip, there are a few places in Tokyo that I would go to before going to Kyoto. The Dankazura in Kamakura is worth seeing.
http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e3102.html
You will also want to see the great Buddha in Kamakura, but my favorite Temple is Hasedara, and it's view of the ocean.
http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e3100.html
http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e3101.html

It will not be necessary to have a JR Pass in Tokyo, but there are some nice day passes that might help.

After a few days in Tokyo, jump to Kyoto, or Osaka. This can be done with a discount train ticket, a bus, or discount airline. There is currently a Peach Air flight from Tokyo Narita (NRT) to Kansai International (KIX) on the evening of April 8th for 4090 yen.

http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2364.html

It will now be peak season for Cherry blossoms, and Osaka and Kyoto will be a good place to view them. I did mention Yoshino, but since it is in the mountains at a higher elevation, go to places in Osaka and Kyoto first, and then go to Yoshino before heading to Takayama.

As I mentioned earlier, you might want to take a bus to Takayama. The Niho private bus line is based in Takayama, and has highway busses to many places. Reservation can be made here:

https://www.nouhibus.co.jp/english/highwaybus/

You can also book bus tours of Shirakawa-go, and a highway bus to Kanazawa, which you also wanted to visit.

Once again, all or most of the beginning of this trip does not need a JR Pass. Going around Tokyo, Kyoto, and Osaka does not require a JR Pass. Transportation to and from Mount Koya is on private trains, and is not covered by a JR Pass.

Once you are ready to leave Kanazawa is when you will start to need the JR Pass. The two other "most scenic places in Japan" are Amanohashidate and Matsushima bay. The first is near Kyoto, and the second is near Tokyo. More links:
http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e3990.html
http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e5100.html

If you start at Kanazawa with a JR Pass, you could hit Amanohashidate, Himeji, and Hiroshima before heading back to Tokyo. IIf you plan to stay two days in Hiroshima, I would spend an entire day at Miyajima Island, and one the other day, split your time between Peace park, and Kawachi Fuji Gardens. You would then go back to Tokyo, and do a day trip to Matsushima before the 7 day JR Pass expired. Then hit the Fuji fives lakes before heading home. Once again, getting to the Fuji five Lakes area involves private railways, and your JR Pass helps a little.

And for others who are reading, I know about the JR Limited Express train form Shinjuku, but I believe that since it uses private tracks to get to the Fuji five lakes area. A JR Pass holder will have to pay a surcharge fee.

This is a rough suggestion for how I would do this trip. I have not given exact dates, but a general plan for you to follow. I would suggest that you look at the link to the Nohi bus line, and see if you want to do more there.
by ebaychucky311 rate this post as useful

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