Okay. Now I am the one seeing stars… (Lots of them)
(A-Z:) [is] In cases where it is clear that B must occur only after A has taken place, "ba" cannot be used…Nihon e ikeba, fuji san ga miraremasu. (If you go to Japan, you'll be able to see Mount Fuji) [ie]
What you (A-Z) mean is that if A did not take place, B cannot occur. So in the second example, I thought it is pretty clear that I can only see Mount Fuji AFTER I go to Japan? If I did not go to Japan, I am not able to see Mount Fuji.
(AK:) [is] ... ba "If you do A, the *natural consequence would be* B" type of "if" sentences
Kyoto ni ikeba, furui nihon ga miraremasu. (If you go to Kyoto, you'll be able to see old Japan.) [ie]
(A-Z :) [is] B is a logical result of A. [ie]
Erm, I must admit that I can’t see the difference between ‘natural’ and ‘logical’. Allow me to give an example:
‘If you had listened to what I said, we would not be in this dangerous place now.’
‘Omae wa boku no hanashi de kikereba, ima kono kiken na basho ni imasen yo.’
’Omae wa boku no hanashi de kiku to, ima kono kiken na basho ni imasen yo.’
Which one should it be?
Actually, sometimes, the difference between these conditionals is just the implicit meaning, is it?
Eg: If you go to the library, please return this book.
1. Anata toshokan e ittara, kono hon o kaette kudasai.
So this sentence should be interpreted as ‘If you do go to the library…’ (with more certainty)
2. Anata toshokan e iku nara, kono hon o kaette kudasai.
So this should be read as ‘If you happen to go to the library…’ (Assuming you are going, with more uncertainty)
Hopefully, I can clear my doubts. Chotto baka de sumimasen. Onegaishimasu
Oh ya, and I would like to try making a conditional sentence with a few clauses. Please feel free to correct me.
If I had come early to school every day, studied well, and talked nicely to the teacher, I would not have been punished by him now.
Watashi wa mainichi ni gakkou ni hayaku itte, yoku benkyou shite, sensei ni yasashiku ieba, ima bassarenai yo.
Thank you, pai tuo ni men le. (Onegaishimasu)