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Dry Dog Food for allergic dogs 2013/2/8 13:09
Hello, my husband and I have 2 Basset Hound, the female is allergic to animal protein, as the vet told us. We have been feeding her with Royal Canine Hypoallergenic food, the one thatis made of Venice. My husband and I are considering moving to live to Japan, and so we searched in amazon Japan for Royal Canine food, but it was really expensive (4000 JPY for a 3kg bag). Buying them their food tru amazon at that price will not be possible. And the information in amazon was not even hypoallergenic food, it was regular dry dog food.
ILd like to know if there are any Japanese dry dog food brands that are high quality and if any of those is made of venice or salmon for our female dog. She is allergic to chicken and duck as far as we have been able to tell.
Our other dog, the male eats normal (chicken protein) Royal Canine food, we try to feed them with a high quality food as much as we can.
If you have any knowledge of this or can advise us in any way possible ILd really appreciate it.

Also, talking about our dogs we have researched what we need to do to import them to Japan, about the quarantine and vaccinations and so. But I still have not been able to find any information on the cost of the vet services, baths, costfor a regula visit to the vet, vaccinations, etc.

I understand prices may vary from city to city, but any help is gonna help us a lot.
by JFP  

Re: Dry Dog Food for allergic dogs 2013/2/8 17:12
hi, I also have a dog which has allergy. I usually buy at http://www.petgo.jp/store/others/category/vetfood.jsp
This site has no English page available, so if you have trouble to find the food, please ask again.
The price is, as you mentioned, a bit high in Japan. But for your lovely companions sake, it can't be helped.
bye!
by kazz1972 rate this post as useful

Re: Dry Dog Food for allergic dogs 2013/2/9 08:15
Hello,
I toke my Yorkshire terrier with me in Japan and he lived with me until he was 15 years old. He was allergic to chicken, but also some beef. What I founded out about beef, was depending on makers and especially the jelly part. I tried and find some, among dozens to choose. Also dry food there are many brands and for sure you'll find something that works well for your friends. I used to buy Dry Royal Canin and I learned to buy it at big department store, because everything for pets is sold almost 1/2 less. 1 kg bag was around 1.200 yen and other brands had similar prices. For sure you will find something good, then is often possible to have free mini bags for test, especially if you have your pet in your trolley. In my case my dog had easily irritable stomach therefore I had to rotate 3 different foods, one per day. Regarding the beef, to be really sure if your dog is allergic; you should buy a piece of ground beef leg or fillet, without fat, then you should ask to mince it so that there is no fat (be sure they do not add some fat!). Boil it for 5 minutes with some water only, serve it with some rice or small sized pasta eggfree. I often used spaghetti that I broke in 3 cm lenght and cooked in 5 minutes without salt... The last two year I also funded a good solution, suggested by my country Vet. Pork fillet! Because it also has no fat! Opposite to beef it is cheap in Japan 100y 100gr! Then you may try as I suggested for the beef. I can say that I was great for my friend food rotation. I am telling this because only dry food is not so good.
To import your pet there are two ways one fast inexpensive and, one long and expensive (as I did). Make sure to have all yearly vaccination records especially regarding rabies, and the dog to have its microchip already, otherwise yoll be asked to put it in JP. In my case my dog had tatoo registration wich was quite strange for Japanese, but accepted with its contry registration documents.
If you like to take them, some weeks before your flight, contact Japan customs at your landing airport, eg Narita they will easy reply by email, (find the JP customs pet import section on the net). They will ask to return some papers in order to provide required information, to be not refused to enter in JP. When you'll arrive here someone will escort you at the animal customs for some chechs, then you have to leave the dog at the quarantine center for 7-8 days. Luky that my pet was toy size and I choosed the second smallest cage size, without food it costed 46.000 yen. They accepted my foods and directions to rotate one each day. The qurantine clerk were all nice with pets, taking them 2 time a day for a walk, and the area is enclose with tall net. I went there twice, and then to take him with me.
To avoid quarantine the dog needs to have a special blood rabic check in your country, and then to wait something between 60 and 120 days to have a special health certificate which is valid for a couple of years. With this certificate you avoid any quarantine. Therefore as above, you previosly contacted JP customs, you'll joust go or be escorted at the animal customs office for pet health check, and documents confirmation it wil take 1-2 hours.
After you decided where to live, you should register your dog at your local city office "health center", easy to ask at your "shiaksho" where is it. Pay for annual tax and metal plate, around 3.000y. Each year around april you'll receive a postcard to pay the annual tax and maybe to make the annual vaccine shoot. This was always a mess since my dog had his vaccine on november, but here they pretend you to do it as they like . In any case I founded a nice clinic and the owner wife was western therefore I continued to do on my way with no problems. I used to shoot vanguard seven vaccine plus rabies, total yearly cost 10.000y Then the clinic will send the rabies vac. doc at the city health office. As well you will need to use Frontline since thanks to this climate flees are really easy to get, I used to buy the set on rakuten.jp since it was 1/2 exp. than clinik price. About maintenance expenses, be very careful wich clinic you choose, because pet is quite new culture, and it is easy to be really expensive also if you compare the same service by different clinic. Be also carefull... One time I toke my pet for kneecup check in Ichigaya, Tokyo, and the check lasted almost 3 hours without telling the reason. Beside the check, and the xray I had to pay for dog beauty service, unasked and unwanted, an additional charge of almost 30.000Y!!! Wich made me furious, but my JP girlfriend decided to pay in order to avoid dicussion, telling only do you understand how dumb can be people here?
Note that I really did not need it at all, since I well cared myself my dog, all its life. As a previous photo shows http://demo2.com/max-1.html do you feel he needed beauty service?
By the way, in general pet clinics are really expensive, but can be extreme, you can find infos in Japanese, also explaining that is more like an elite business than pet health service. My pet the last 2 years had several problems, and I founded out that is also difficult to find good specialized doctors, then I had to change several to find out also their mistakes, but at the end I reached a really good one, which solved some problems and cared my dog health up to his end. I spent for clinic around 200.000y in 6yrs. But, suddenly one morning, I had to run at the clinic, to have the last sad expense... It costed 10,000y to make him sleep forever.
About Basset Hound my mom had and again have a black one short hair, they are much stronger than Yorkyes, I do believe you may have much much less to spend for yours, at the end if your dogs are not older than 5-6 years I suggest you to make right away, the pet yearly JP insurance which will pay back much, in case of pet accidents, clinic, operations, health care in general.

I wish it helps.
by Luca (guest) rate this post as useful

Re: Dry Dog Food for allergic dogs 2013/2/9 17:14
At a risk of making a fool of myself I will assume that you have done all the paperwork allowing to live in Japan permanently?

Quite a few posters on this blog and another I read about a European country are totally surprised when we tell them one cannot land in this or that country and live there for as long as they want without the OK from the country government.

Re dogs..by venice you mean venison right?
by Monkey see (guest) rate this post as useful

Re: Dry Dog Food for allergic dogs 2013/2/9 20:51
If the previous question was for Luca:
That dog followed me in Thailand after 6 months I was there, traveling with my mom that went there to bring him to me, even thought she loved him so much, and he was very welomed at her house with mom Basset Hound. Mom joust followed my directions to prepare the paperwork (note that in Thai the laws for import pets are much easier than Japan, but there are some problems to exit due to rabies problems).
When I needed to move from Thai, I did all paperwork myself from Thailand without needing to show any VISA to Japan, but, probably I confirmed my flying ticket I'll not recheck my paperwork now.
In Japan I got at first 3 months tourist visa, and now is 8 years I am here. If you are going to stay more than the 7-8 quarantine days, and your documents are all correct why somebody has to make problems? Somehow, my fault was that I did not have the additional rabies blood test as I explained, which allows you to pass the customs in short time without quarantine, then you can go at Shinjuku with your pet an hour later, and leave the country the day after.
From Thai I paid my dog flying ticket to stay with me as a passenger, for that I had to choose a company which allowed small pets inboard.
Well, I am with dogs more than 40 years, and that particular dog followed me in 8 foreigners countries, without any problem; always welcomed at any kind of hotel, and without needing any leash.
As well he gave me much good time and good meetings, I felt he deserved to be as much as possible with me, and not like a orphan sometime yes and some not, I had my own company and he followed me everywhere, which may also be hard to believe where.

Right now I still do not have any permanent Japanese visa, and I do feel that Japanese accept easy a cute pet, than a white professional.

Regards
by Luca (guest) rate this post as useful

Re: Dry Dog Food for allergic dogs 2013/2/10 00:45
Thank you very much gKazz1972h, gLucah and gMonkey seeh, for taking the time to answer my questions.

For Monkey see and everyone else: Re dogs..by venice you mean venison right?

Yes, indeed, I meant VENISON. I apologize for the mistake. The vet told us that venison, salmon and lamb were considered hypoallergenic, and so we have been feeding our female dog with the Royal Canin Veterinary Diet Canine Hypoallergenic PV Potato & Venison, but this can only be bought by a Vet prescription in the U.S. So, since he told us what source of protein we should look for in case we didnft want or couldnLt buy the Royal Canin brand, we thought of asking in this forum if somebody new of any Japanese brand made of venison, salmon or lamb that could recommend us.

gAt a risk of making a fool of myself I will assume that you have done all the paperwork allowing to live in Japan permanently?h

In case this was meant for me, we will go under a working Visa, but we understand visas have expiration dates and that they last only for a few years. My husband was offered a job and we hope will be for a long term; that is the reason we have decided to take our dogs with us.

For Luca: I used to buy Dry Royal Canin and I learned to buy it at big department store, because everything for pets is sold almost 1/2 less.
Thank you for the advice, buying food for our two basset hounds can add up quite an amount by the end of the year and although we care a lot they are not overweight and so we do not over feed them, we usually buy the largest food bag available, by this I mean 8 kg, 11 kg or 16 kg bag, depending on what we can find at the pet store. The 16 kg bag last for our male dog around 2 months, for our female dog we buy smaller bags because Royal Canin does not carry large bags for their hypoallergenic brand.

About importing our dogs to Japan we have done the research necessary and we are working right now on the rabies vaccines. We have contacted a Pet Clinic referred to us by the Japanese Embassy where they will help us do all the paperwork necessary for exporting our dogs as well as sending their blood samples to the approved lab in the U.S. to do the FAVN Test (Rabies Neutralizing Antibody Titre Test).
We have learned that we need to wait a period of 180 days home after giving our dogs a second rabies vaccine in order to avoid the quarantine in Japan. If we do not wait 180 days before arriving to Japan, the dogs will be held in quarantine for the remaining days of the 180 days.

gAbout maintenance expenses, be very careful wich clinic you choose, because pet is quite new culture, and it is easy to be really expensive also if you compare the same service by different clinich
Thank you again for the advice.

gAs a previous photo shows http://demo2.com/max-1.html do you feel he needed beauty service?h
Your dog looks adorable and I do not think he needs a beauty service, but basset hounds tend to smell a lot if not bathe regularly. Before getting our first basset hound we read that since they have thick, short hair they were glow maintenanceh, but to tell you the truth they are not compared to other breeds with short hair as well. At home we take them once a week to beauty service so they can be properly bathed and their anal sacs well drained. We like to have them indoors with us and so we care they donLt get too smelly.

gcat the end if your dogs are not older than 5-6 years I suggest you to make right away, the pet yearly JP insurance which will pay back much, in case of pet accidents, clinic, operations, health care in general.h

Thank you very much for all the information, it was really helpful.

By the way, does anyone know if in Japan it is allowed that our dogs ride with us in the car? In the back seat, of course.
Thank you again all of you for your help.
by JFP rate this post as useful

Re: Dry Dog Food for allergic dogs 2013/2/10 14:05
Someone my provide you the link related to pet and the JP Road Traffic Act where you may find more details
In sum:
There is a reason to secure the dog in the car safely.

According to the Road Traffic Act first, because they are treated as "baggage" when you give someone a lift in the car the dog, the reason for the safe driving that you should not hurt the passenger luggage loaded or interfere with the driver one.

Note, that pets are as "baggage"...

There are some directions, but may be vague as everything here, therefore you better to follow, a good safety sense.

In many years I can tell that is easy to see drivers having pets under their legs while driving, most pets are free to jump back and front seats. Few are held at rear the safety belts, and less kept on the car back.

(As well easy to see male and female drivers having infants between the steer wile driving. Some joust sits to drive with the kids front sack holding the infant, mostly done by moms alone.
When kids are on the back seats it is rare they wear safety belts, and you can see them often playing and standing, especially on the pay-way.
The most funny was a driver alone in a SUV during the summer festivals, he was playing Flute while driving in the traffic.

Quite long, but to let figure out that here there is much freedom to do whatsoever one likes, but to avoid conflict anyone should be quiet. Therefore is common to see how police officers turn the head on a different direction to do not stop a vehicle, passing with red light, motorbikes without helmets, super noisy gangs, arrogance at intersections etc etc.)

If you'll come you will see something probably different.

by Luca (guest) rate this post as useful

Re: Dry Dog Food for allergic dogs 2013/2/10 14:51
Thank you Luca, again, for your help.
Back home we love to take our dogs with us in the car, but since they are large sized dogs they always drive on the back seat for safety reasons (like children). They behave really well while in the car never jumping around. We are concerned that when we arrive at Narita Airport when we finally move to Japan, after all paperwork and checkpoint we will need to take them somehow to the city we will be living at. And since they are medium-large size dogs we do not know if we are going to be able find a transportation company that can provide us the service. So we thought that maybe renting a car could be an option. But again we did not if pets, dogs in this case, were allowed to ride in the car with no cage.
Of course we will need a cage for each one of them to take them to Japan, but there is no way to fit the size cage they need in a regular sedan sized car. So maybe we will try to look for a cage that can be taken apart and fit in the trunk of the car. We do not know yet how are we going to handle that situation but we are now less concerned about it thanks to your input.

Greetings.
by JFP rate this post as useful

Re: Dry Dog Food for allergic dogs 2013/2/11 21:17
Hello again...

Even you drive on left as English I do not suggest you to come and drive, but of course you are free to do it.

From the JP airport I suggest you first to get a large taxi Van which may be quite expensive, but it will accommodate also some navy cases, other than your dog in-cages.

A very plain solution from the airport to a location near your center destination, may be to take one of the Limousine BUSes (good large bus) which will fit very easy your dogs in their cages, and all your suitcases.

Basically with no additional charges.

At that point you may need to get the Van Taxi for 2-5 km only instead more than 60, if I think about Tokyo.

If your destination is close you'll be done, and you'll start in few hours your life in Japan.

I forgot to mention something... Though I do not know your habits. PLS take this easy!: in Japan almost everywhere do never forget to pick up your pets excrement, some people also go with a bottle of water to wash also their pets piss; "even though, it is quite easy to spot drunken vomit on the floor", which will make your dogs crazy to eat...
Do never leave excrement traces of your pets and take them with you. Otherwise, you'll be pointed out by the local community."

Regards.
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