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rare-masu 2013/9/24 02:37
Konnichiwa!

I have a course book just in Japanese and it is exactly like this:

Sushi ga taberaremasu.
Densha no naka de neraremasen.

Then it says: ''reigai'' and under that there are sentences

Afurika de miraremasu.
Hayaku okiraremasen.

Reigai means exception, right? So what is the exception in last two sentences??

Im confused, tasukete kudasai.
by larissa oz  

Re: rare-masu 2013/9/24 13:52
very difficalt to explain.
verb end changes accoring to the usage
I generally do not use rare-masu, because of sometime inpolite and confusing.

taberaremasu friends
taberu koto ga dekimasu polite much better
taberemasu wrong usage unsophisticated
tabereru wrong usage unsophisticated

(watashi ha)sushi wo taberu koto ga dekimasu.
-- -- --
"ga" "ha" follows after the subject.
"wo" follows after the object.
sushi ga taberu ????
watashiga sushi wo taberu.
sushi ga taberareru.
sushi can be eaten by me.
sushi is eatable for me.
I can eat sushi.

"rareru" has two meanings
one is "can, be able to"
another is "passive verb"

If you use ''masu'',

sushi wo taberu koto ga dekimasu
densha no naka deha neraremasen
densha no naka deha neru koto ga dekimasen

Afurika de miraremasu.
this sentense is somethig strange.
can see xxxx in Africa.
afurika de miru koto ga dekimasu.

hayaku ha okiraremasen
hayakuokiru koto ga dekimasen
by ken (guest) rate this post as useful

Re: rare-masu 2013/9/25 12:16
For exsample
Sushi ga taberaremasu.
(you/I/he/she/they) can eat Sushi.
Densha no naka de neraremasen.
(you/I/he/she/they) can not sleep on the train.

Afurika de miraremasu.
(you/I/he/she/they) can see/watch in Africa.
Hayaku okiraremasen.
(you/I/he/she/they) can not get up early.
what is the exception in last two sentences??
These sentences looks missing object.
What and When.
by masa (guest) rate this post as useful

Re: rare-masu 2013/9/25 12:38
masa and ken,

The original poster is wondering what is "exception" about the last two sentences, that is the question :) I don't know the answer either...
by AK rate this post as useful

Re: rare-masu 2013/9/25 21:04
taberu, neru 下一段活用
miru, okiru 上一段活用

a i u e o
middle = u
upper letter is i, 上一段
lower letter is e, 下一段

tab-e-ru
tab-e-rareru

n-e-ru
n-e-rareru

m-i-ru
m-i-rareru

ok-i-ru
ok-i-rareru

http://www.gaoshukai.com/20/07/0008/
groupI is 五段活用
groupII has two, 上一段、下一段
groupIII has two, カ変、サ変
by ken (guest) rate this post as useful

Re: rare-masu 2013/9/27 23:30
Arigatou for the replies. They are helpful but still I didnt understand what is the exception. Anways I will find out somehow. Arigatou gozaimasu.
by larissa oz rate this post as useful

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