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Rail passes for Nara-Kyoto-Hakone-Kamakura 2015/2/19 14:40
For the itinerary below, am not sure what rail passes to get...there are so many options and it's confusing in spite of reading about it. Can anyone make some suggestions?

April 4 Kansai Airport
April 5 Nara
April 6 Nara
April 7 Koyasan
April 8 Kyoto
April 9 Kyoto
April 10 Kyoto
April 11 Kyoto
April 12 Kyoto
April 13 Tsumago
April 14 Karuizawa
April 15 Karuizawa
April 16 Hakone
April 17 Hakone
April 18 Hakone
April 19 Kamakura
April 20 Haneda Airport (midnight flight)

THANK YOU!!!
by quintero  

Re: Rail passes for Nara-Kyoto-Hakone-Kamakura 2015/2/19 22:13
Get a Hakone pass and a Koya Pass

Nothing else is worthwhile

For intracity travel, it depends on how many rides a day.
by Joshua hugh (guest) rate this post as useful

Re: Rail passes for Nara-Kyoto-Hakone-Kamakura 2015/2/19 22:20
You may consider Japan rail pass for these 4 days (plus your Kyoto days).

April 13 Tsumago
April 14 Karuizawa
April 15 Karuizawa
April 16 Hakone


However, from my assumption, it will be more expensive than buying normal tickets.

http://goo.gl/xTbzza

As you will see, hyperdia shows two Kyoto-Nagiso (nearby station for Tsumago)-Karuizawa-Odawara. Route 1, 2 and 5 go to Nagano and then Shinkansen to Karuizawa while Route 3 and 4 take Koumi line from Kobuchizawa to Sakudaira and then Shinkansen.

The "fare" for 704.7 or 690.6 km is the identical 10150 yen and you must add Shinkansen/limited express fee. To calculate, you must ask hyperdia for the individual sector.

Kyoto to Nagiso:

http://goo.gl/q4Qa2n

Route 1 is the fastest while Route 3 is the cheapest. Of course you can travel without using Shinkansen/limited express. 3850 yen or 2900 yen or 0 yen.

Nagiso to Karuizawa

http://goo.gl/DjUXUY

Nagano route, 3700 yen.

http://goo.gl/BUK2iz

Kobuchizawa-Koumi line route 5330 yen (if you take non-reserved seat, 2790 yen).

Karuizawa-Odawara-Hakone-yumoto

http://goo.gl/xTPv9H

5570 yen.

Total: 10150+3850+3700+5570=23270 yen.

If you take Karuizawa-Shijuku-(Odakyu-line)-Odawara-Hakone-Yumoto,

http://goo.gl/TJua6W
http://goo.gl/UXHjSc

In this case, please buy JR ticket Kyoto-Nagiso-(Nagano or Kobuchizawa)-Tokyo (Fare 9610 yen).





by frog1954 rate this post as useful

Re: Rail passes for Nara-Kyoto-Hakone-Kamakura 2015/2/20 02:42
Get a Hakone pass and a Koya Pass
Nothing else is worthwhile


This is the correct answer for sure.

Everything else is just regular tickets.

Have fun!!!
by Koohii2wii rate this post as useful

Re: Rail passes for Nara-Kyoto-Hakone-Kamakura 2015/2/20 13:30
Wow, that was easy! Will check the detailed information you left. Thanks so much for taking the time to help out.
by quintero rate this post as useful

Re: Rail passes for Nara-Kyoto-Hakone-Kamakura 2015/2/20 14:46
As you can see on Hyperdia, if you buy the JR ticket separately, the "fare" is 12430 yen.
Kyoto to Nagiso 4430 yen
Nagiso to Karuizawa via Nagano 4000 yen
Karuizawa to Odawara 4000 yen

Alternatively, if you buy "continuous" ticket, it is 10150 yen. This difference comes from the rule for the JR train fare. So, you better buy continuous ticket, showing your route clearly (it will be better to show the Hyperdia printout showing the route). Note that the ticket is valid within 5 days in this case (700 km continuous).

On the other hand, you can not buy "continuous" limited express ticket continuously. For example you can buy Limited express ticket from Nagoya to Nagano, but if you get off at Nagiso, your express ticket will be invalid after that: Your "fare" ticket is fine, but not express ticket. This is the rule for JR trains. Basically, this rule is settled for the long-distance traveller. When you travel long way, you must get off somewhere in between, so for the convenience of the traveller, the "continuous" fare is applied. As for the express ticket, you do not need to separate your itinerary, rather, it is your reason to get off. So there is no "continuous" express ticket. If you must change express trains because first express train does not take you to your destination, then the "continuous" express fare will be applied (like some Shinkansen rides).

Sorry for lengthy explantation. Have fun!
by frog1954 rate this post as useful

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