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Rail passes for Nara-Kyoto-Hakone-Kamakura
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2015/2/19 14:40
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For the itinerary below, am not sure what rail passes to get...there are so many options and it's confusing in spite of reading about it. Can anyone make some suggestions?
April 4 Kansai Airport April 5 Nara April 6 Nara April 7 Koyasan April 8 Kyoto April 9 Kyoto April 10 Kyoto April 11 Kyoto April 12 Kyoto April 13 Tsumago April 14 Karuizawa April 15 Karuizawa April 16 Hakone April 17 Hakone April 18 Hakone April 19 Kamakura April 20 Haneda Airport (midnight flight)
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by quintero
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Re: Rail passes for Nara-Kyoto-Hakone-Kamakura
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2015/2/19 22:13
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Get a Hakone pass and a Koya Pass
Nothing else is worthwhile
For intracity travel, it depends on how many rides a day.
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by Joshua hugh (guest)
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Re: Rail passes for Nara-Kyoto-Hakone-Kamakura
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2015/2/19 22:20
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You may consider Japan rail pass for these 4 days (plus your Kyoto days). April 13 Tsumago April 14 Karuizawa April 15 Karuizawa April 16 HakoneHowever, from my assumption, it will be more expensive than buying normal tickets. http://goo.gl/xTbzzaAs you will see, hyperdia shows two Kyoto-Nagiso (nearby station for Tsumago)-Karuizawa-Odawara. Route 1, 2 and 5 go to Nagano and then Shinkansen to Karuizawa while Route 3 and 4 take Koumi line from Kobuchizawa to Sakudaira and then Shinkansen. The "fare" for 704.7 or 690.6 km is the identical 10150 yen and you must add Shinkansen/limited express fee. To calculate, you must ask hyperdia for the individual sector. Kyoto to Nagiso: http://goo.gl/q4Qa2nRoute 1 is the fastest while Route 3 is the cheapest. Of course you can travel without using Shinkansen/limited express. 3850 yen or 2900 yen or 0 yen. Nagiso to Karuizawa http://goo.gl/DjUXUYNagano route, 3700 yen. http://goo.gl/BUK2izKobuchizawa-Koumi line route 5330 yen (if you take non-reserved seat, 2790 yen). Karuizawa-Odawara-Hakone-yumoto http://goo.gl/xTPv9H5570 yen. Total: 10150+3850+3700+5570=23270 yen. If you take Karuizawa-Shijuku-(Odakyu-line)-Odawara-Hakone-Yumoto, http://goo.gl/TJua6Whttp://goo.gl/UXHjScIn this case, please buy JR ticket Kyoto-Nagiso-(Nagano or Kobuchizawa)-Tokyo (Fare 9610 yen).
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by frog1954
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Re: Rail passes for Nara-Kyoto-Hakone-Kamakura
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2015/2/20 02:42
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Get a Hakone pass and a Koya Pass Nothing else is worthwhile
This is the correct answer for sure.
Everything else is just regular tickets.
Have fun!!!
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by Koohii2wii
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Re: Rail passes for Nara-Kyoto-Hakone-Kamakura
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2015/2/20 13:30
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Wow, that was easy! Will check the detailed information you left. Thanks so much for taking the time to help out.
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by quintero
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Re: Rail passes for Nara-Kyoto-Hakone-Kamakura
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2015/2/20 14:46
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As you can see on Hyperdia, if you buy the JR ticket separately, the "fare" is 12430 yen. Kyoto to Nagiso 4430 yen Nagiso to Karuizawa via Nagano 4000 yen Karuizawa to Odawara 4000 yen
Alternatively, if you buy "continuous" ticket, it is 10150 yen. This difference comes from the rule for the JR train fare. So, you better buy continuous ticket, showing your route clearly (it will be better to show the Hyperdia printout showing the route). Note that the ticket is valid within 5 days in this case (700 km continuous).
On the other hand, you can not buy "continuous" limited express ticket continuously. For example you can buy Limited express ticket from Nagoya to Nagano, but if you get off at Nagiso, your express ticket will be invalid after that: Your "fare" ticket is fine, but not express ticket. This is the rule for JR trains. Basically, this rule is settled for the long-distance traveller. When you travel long way, you must get off somewhere in between, so for the convenience of the traveller, the "continuous" fare is applied. As for the express ticket, you do not need to separate your itinerary, rather, it is your reason to get off. So there is no "continuous" express ticket. If you must change express trains because first express train does not take you to your destination, then the "continuous" express fare will be applied (like some Shinkansen rides).
Sorry for lengthy explantation. Have fun!
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