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Amount I can make in PTJ after taxes? 2018/4/5 00:43
I am aware the minimum wage is 850 Yen in Japan (In Tokyo at least) as I was calculating possibilities of reducing the amount relying on external resources (Siblings, parents) I completely forgot about tax as the country I currently live in don't have an income tax (Other taxes exist of course).

I'll be studying in Waseda if I get accepted and everyone supporting me agrees to. (looking at Canada too but prefer Japan for personal interest over the years).
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Finally coming to my question, I wanted to know the feasibility of covering all my living expenses from PTJ and is it really possible to put in 28 hours a week and be an undergraduate at a university?(Computer science)
by Sharif99  

Re: Amount I can make in PTJ after taxes? 2018/4/5 19:23
JASSO reckons that the average cost of living in Tokyo for a student is around 151,000 yen / month.
http://www.g-studyinjapan.jasso.go.jp/en/modules/pico/index.php?conten...

Their tuition estimates are a bit low for Waseda - which would be about double those. However, the other estimates look reasonable. Let's say 150,000 yen per month.

On a student visa you can work 28 hours per week. Let's say 100 hours a month. At 850 yen / hour, that means you'll make 85,000 yen / month. That would leave you around 65,000 yen per month short.

If you can get some help from your parents then I think you may be OK. You might be able to get some scholarships or partial tuition waivers; however, you *cannot* rely on getting scholarships - there are no guarantees.

More realistically, you cannot expect to work as much as 28 hours per week. Doing so would almost certainly be at the expense of your studies. I think aiming towards something more like 10 - 20 hours per week is more realistic.
by Dainichi Heater rate this post as useful

Re: Amount I can make in PTJ after taxes? 2018/4/5 21:55
Not really.

In the first place, when you apply for "student" visa, you need to show that you have sufficient financial means to cover tuition and living expenses for the duration of your studies. Part-time jobs are just to supplement students' finance, not to be completely relied on.
by ... (guest) rate this post as useful

Re: Amount I can make in PTJ after taxes? 2018/4/5 23:30
The living expensive seems to be double of what I calculated which is

40,000Yen for Rent (Random googling on apartment hunting sites, this is minimum)

Utilities (Thankfully most are included, if not around 6000yen more)

Food 25,000 Yen (I got the estimation from Ritsumeikan university's site. I'll very likely eat at home as much as I can knowing it'll be cheaper until I win a lottery or something)

Tele 4000 Yen (From Ritsumeikan again and I checked sakura mobile, a random provider I found that has sim options for unlocked phones which has cheaper options than their estimated amount)

Transport 3300 Yen (Again from Ritsumeikan)

Miscellaneous expenses 12,500 Yen (Random things that'll come up probably)

insurance, I got zero clue really, I can't seem to find any proper estimation

Income tax, from what I understand from googling yesterday I am fine as long as I stay below 1m yen

Regarding the tuition, it'll be covered by my parents

This all adds up to 84,800 Yen, if I put in around 104 hours in a month I could cover that

The amount I estimated also matches up with other students from what I got from Yuta san's video here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw221AqU8Zk&ab_channel=ThatJapaneseMan...

Are these estimations off?




by Sharif99 rate this post as useful

Re: Amount I can make in PTJ after taxes? 2018/4/5 23:30
Minimum wage in Tokyo is 958 yen.
by @_@ (guest) rate this post as useful

Re: Amount I can make in PTJ after taxes? 2018/4/5 23:34
I forgot to mention, this is all said if I work 850/hr.
I looked around some job sites and again I am trusting Yuta san's video. If I have a 1000 yen/hr job it gives me the opportunity to work 20 hours a week only, giving me a peace of mind knowing I'll have time for studies and sanity too
by Sharif99 rate this post as useful

Re: Amount I can make in PTJ after taxes? 2018/4/5 23:35
Ah thank you for the updated information. I seem to have googled up an older amount perhaps. I'll update my excel sheet with that
by Sharif99 rate this post as useful

Re: Amount I can make in PTJ after taxes? 2018/4/6 11:42
I don't see the word "tuition" in your calculations anywhere. Are those things being covered by your parents? Tuition is 100,000 yen a month, straight off.

Again, 28 hours a week = no time to study.
by Dainichi Heater rate this post as useful

Re: Amount I can make in PTJ after taxes? 2018/4/6 12:30
Ah, sorry, I do see tuition now.

Tuition is listed as 49,000 yen / month. Take that from 150,000 yen, and you get to 100,000 yen.
Not so different from your estimates, although you may be low-balling your rent.
by Dainichi Heater rate this post as useful

Re: Amount I can make in PTJ after taxes? 2018/4/6 14:28
Your transportation budget look way under-estimated.

It will not cost anything less than 8 000Y/month , especially if you do not live close to your study/work place.
40000 is a really low estimate. this is dormitory price or rent of a tiny room very far from central tokyo...
utilities
You can buy a bicycle, but at this rate with your work and the studies...

I think you are not realizing how harsh this will be for you to survive here.
Also, the pressure you will face with a small job is not the likes you have been used to.
You need to be able to speak a bit of decent japanese to find a baito.

But altogether in the long shot, if you are lucky and hard working it can be rewarding.
You are from Bangladesh and living in SA, i guess you might have faced hard situation before so its a good point

by frenchdude (guest) rate this post as useful

Re: Amount I can make in PTJ after taxes? 2018/4/6 17:29
@Dainichi Heater
It is true but it seems like the logical method, Plus I gave some thought about it, I won't home too often with University plus work and I'll probably study at the university itself too. Either a share house or something away from central Tokyo which I checked is around (+-10) 30min from the university.

@frenchdude
I increased the travel expenses. The only viable option I found in that price range apart from a smaller apartment is share houses which are thankfully plenty at that price point. (40k-50k)

Regarding baito's I won't be working straight off the bat, I'll most likely look at it after 2-3 months later after being familiar and getting to some basic level Japanese (Aware that straps down my option further) so far I can read Hiragana and Katakana and zero kanji (Apart from Nihon and a book character, this covers my whole kanji list lol) I recognize a lot more words now compared to when I just started so I won't be starting completely from scratch.

If I was to go with Canada instead, I would be much better off in terms of a lot of expenses and I can cover it more easily there thanks to higher minimum wage, not to mention I would also have the option to live with my sister there and save cost but Japan has been a little dream of mine for a couple of years now hence why I tried getting a little familiar with the language over the years.
by Sharif99 rate this post as useful

Re: Amount I can make in PTJ after taxes? 2018/4/6 19:02
I am actually a class adviser at another university in Japan. I think you need to realize that while Japan is a nice dream, Tokyo is the most expensive place to be, and with a private university those expenses just go up.

I tell my students to think of their studies as a full time job. Officially, you are expected to do 2 hours of homework for every 1 hour of classwork. If you're doing 15 hours of classwork a week, that comes to 45 hours. Add another 28 hours to that, plus maybe another hour or two per day for travel, and you're up to 80 hour weeks. 12 hours a day, 7 days a week. Not much of a life.

Higher minimum wage would also correspond to higher living expenses though, but staying with your sister would bring those down. I think it's difficult anywhere to pay living expenses from a p/t job, if you plan to live in a capital city.
by Dainichi Heater rate this post as useful

Re: Amount I can make in PTJ after taxes? 2018/4/6 19:49
Income tax, from what I understand from googling yesterday I am fine as long as I stay below 1m yen

Regardless of income, you have to pay income tax named Œ¹ò’¥Žû, which is 10%.
by @_@ (guest) rate this post as useful

Re: Amount I can make in PTJ after taxes? 2018/4/6 20:16
@Dainichi Heater
I did the maths with my sibling there and since the maximum hours is 20 there, I can't go above that anyway but I get left with 150CAD end of the month (For 20hr/w) subtracting expenses I got from my sibling but the point I am coming to she warned me in that, in her case she's doing post and back when she was doing undergrad, she didn't have much time (Completly different course but still valid).

After seeing put out in hours like that, this looks crazy in terms of every single day is a 12-hour loop of different kinds of work... but again I'll probably be putting in 16-20hrs in whichever place I end up, it doesn't seem like there is a better alternative I am not thinking of.
Scholarships are variables out my control hence I haven't put them into consideration
by Sharif99 rate this post as useful

Re: Amount I can make in PTJ after taxes? 2018/4/6 20:54
Does it need to be Tokyo? Could it be maybe a cheaper city for rental expenses. Even Osaka is cheaper than Tokyo.

Also maybe you have some skill that can bring you above the minimum wage. I think also jobs at night (in restaurants ) are slightly better paid than minimum wage.

I hope for you that you can make it.
by LikeBike (guest) rate this post as useful

Re: Amount I can make in PTJ after taxes? 2018/4/6 21:09
@Likebike
The issue is, there is only selected few universities that have a computer science or IT course in Japan. (In English) Waseda, Ritsumeikan and 1 or 2 other. I already applied for Waseda hence why I am looking there specifically at this moment.
I have gotten really good at Photo manipulation over the years using Adobe Photoshop in particular and can do the basics with Adobe Illustrator though but finding a part-time job for a media company feels unlikely doesn't it?
by Sharif99 rate this post as useful

Re: Amount I can make in PTJ after taxes? 2018/4/7 12:44
Toyo university offers computer science, and have full-ride scholarships available for bright, hardworking students.
https://www.toyo.ac.jp/site/english-dp/108706.html

University of Aizu is a specialist university for computer science, with an English-track
http://www.u-aizu.ac.jp/en/

National universities will cost 535,800 yen / yr for tuition. Waseda is over 1.3M yen. 2,5x more.
A national university in a smaller city would be a better bet for you.

by Dainichi Heater rate this post as useful

Re: Amount I can make in PTJ after taxes? 2018/4/7 18:11
Toyo university not only looks more promising than Waseda, it's significantly cheaper too (The difference is what some scholarships provide) and the best part is that it's far too late to apply.
The application period was a month after Waseda's application window it seems which was March. The only option seems to be a gap year which is unlikely. Back when I was vigorously looking up universities I recall stumbling upon this but disregarded this as Japanese course so I went off to the next...

The issue with the national university I looked at is that, they don't seem to have English courses so I skipped over them and from what I understood reading up online, Japanese companies are quite bothered about which university you graduated from which is the opposite of western countries from what I heard from my siblings.
I looked at Aizu a few days back (Another university I managed to miss but I can still apply) it's tuition shocked me as it was the first computer science course being this low and also got sceptical, I couldn't find a dedicated page for the course either outlining the degree, the ranking is much lower too.
In your opinion how would you rank, Waseda, Toyo, Ritsumeikan and finally Aizu?

I hope this thread provides useful for other people googling this info back when I was googling about this, I barely found anything in particular on what I was looking for. If I was aware of this from the get-go it would have helped.
by Sharif99 rate this post as useful

Re: Amount I can make in PTJ after taxes? 2018/5/26 04:53
Too future peeps reading this over a google search.
Look up Kyushu university as well, they got a computer science course as well and it's ranked higher in Japan but significantly cheaper for international students and located in Fukuoka prefecture which is not Tokyo. (Will ease the expense slightly, something is better than nothing)

The reason I didn't apply was due to the fact that at the time of searching for the universities during December of 2017, I mistook it for another Japanese course university and went on to the next (I was very unaware at the time, I just started to look into this strange world of universities) Thus eventually settling for Waseda by January and all hyped up to apply during February. The thing is, it's application period is during January and January only for October session thus not an option anymore as I won't be taking a gap year.

Good luck to future fueled up individuals, I hope this thread proves useful.
by Sharif99 rate this post as useful

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